Thanks for this. Taking a deep breath here-and hoping for sanity to reign. Yes, Biden appeared weak and shaky and his responses were garbled and sentences trailing-but Trump was on one continuous lie bender last night-and it wasn’t countered. What was the role of the moderators? Where was the fact checking? An older, frail man who is decent and kind and honors our Constitution and has surrounded himself with stellar people in his cabinet and staff is the ONLY choice compared to a Hitler-wannabe convicted felon who is determined to murder democracy and is only suited to be named liar in chief.
Did you look at that man’s face? The face on the left side of the screen? A face devoid of empathy, compassion, or intelligence of any sort. A face of anger and hate. A face of incompetence. A face of the the fascist dictator, the deepest human failure yet. It’s not about that man. It’s about us, the voters, about real Americans, about We the People. We need to somehow get to the reactionary voters. Reactionary, not conservative. Stop calling them conservative, that's to fall prey to gaslighting. Those are the people who want that anger and hate in the White House. We can do it. Let’s use this unfortunate incident to redouble our own peace, love, strength and commitment. WE are the future.
A positive and strong way to deal with reality, Richard. After last night it’s safe to say that if you loathed Drumpf before, you loathe him even more now. Maybe this latest episode will re-energize Biden voters.
Thank you! I have been saying for a long time that these people are NOT conservatives. They are radical reactionaries and they absolutely should not be allowed to win.
Yes, I also see it that way. I thought maybe if the word "reactionary" were used more, and we said what it means, then some few people who thought they were "just conservatives" would see otherwise and become aware of the damage their votes for T. would do even to themselves. And this because they were voting against their own best interests too.
I did as well but I am very worried after watching the debacle (debate). I had to turn it off after about an hour. Between Biden freezing up and trumps lies it was too much.
I turned it off after about 15 minutes. Still voting for Biden. I do not think it's a good idea for him step down. Nope. Bad idea. Also, it would have to be VP Harris. All this talk about replacing Biden with someone else. We have that person in Kalama Harris. Can you imagine if the delegates pick someone else? The first Black/Indian Woman VP passed over bc hey we don't think she can win or whatever reason. Way to anger one of the biggest and most loyal Democratic Party voters. AND she is completely qualified.
It's imperative we counter the narrative about Biden's performance with exposing each and every one of Trumps lies. The focus needs to be on talking about all the lies Trump spewed over and over again and how this is dangerous to our country and democracy.
Now I remember why I no longer watch CNN. The moderation was total bullshit, Michelangelo. They allowed Orange Hitler to 'go back' every time to refute what President Biden said instead of answering the question posed to him. It was a pathetic display of allowing a psychotic narcissist control the narrative and to continually claim that his was the greatest administration ever. I tired of screaming liar at the television after 45 minutes. If people can't see how mentally incompetent OH is, we are in a LOT of trouble.
I agree 100% Wonne. CNN is faux news light and I refuse to watch and get aggravated.
You’re correct that we’re in a lot of trouble. This country is rapidly becoming a joke. We’re heading down the path toward a Christian theocracy courtesy of Mitch McConnell, the GOP and tRump.
Michael, I had to yell at her ladyship Graham to get off the fainting couch so I could hyperventilate. I was dismayed at the man who was on the stage with a lunatic and my faith shimmered but not shaken. Took me back to Obama's first debate with Romney. Then we had little second guessing. Today I am more circumspect: Who do I trust to combat the impending dictatorship? Last evening was a stumble not a fall unless you depended on the debate to make up your mind
I needed this so badly this morning, Michelangelo. Between you and Stephanie Miller, I'm coming down from the tree limb. Tfg's lies were so blatant and Jake Tapper kept repeating questions like a fucking robot instead of calling him out. Plus, he kept referring to him as President Trump! This was a terrible debate on the part of CNN. Of course I am staying on Team Joe. I know he has our backs.
Here is some to consider talking about on your show today from Heather Cox Richardson.
Please look at the section on ‘The Gish Gallop’ technique Trump and his people used last night.
June 27, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
JUN 28
Tonight was the first debate between President Joe Biden and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, and by far the most striking thing about the debate was the overwhelming focus among pundits immediately afterward about Biden’s appearance and soft, hoarse voice as he rattled off statistics and events. Virtually unmentioned was the fact that Trump lied and rambled incoherently, ignored questions to say whatever he wanted; refused to acknowledge the events of January 6, 2021; and refused to commit to accepting the result of the 2024 presidential election, finally saying he would accept it only if it met his standards for fairness.
Immediately after the debate, there were calls for Biden to drop out of the race, but aside from the fact that the only time a presidential candidate has ever done that—in 1968—it threw the race into utter confusion and the president’s party lost, Biden needed to demonstrate that his mental capacity is strong in order to push back on the Republicans’ insistence that he is incapable of being president. That, he did, thoroughly. Biden began with a weak start but hit his stride as the evening wore on. Indeed, he covered his bases too thoroughly, listing the many accomplishments of his administration in such a hurry that he was sometimes hard to understand.
In contrast, Trump came out strong but faded and became less coherent over time. His entire performance was either lies or rambling non-sequiturs. He lied so incessantly throughout the evening that it took CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale almost three minutes, speaking quickly, to get through the list.
Trump said that some Democratic states allow people to execute babies after they’re born and that every legal scholar wanted Roe v. Wade overturned—both fantastical lies. He said that the deficit is at its highest level ever and that the U.S. trade deficit is at its highest ever: both of those things happened during his administration. He lied that there were no terrorist attacks during his presidency; there were many. He said that Biden wants to quadruple people’s taxes—this is “pure fiction,” according to Dale—and lied that his tax cuts paid for themselves; they have, in fact, added trillions of dollars to the national debt.
Dale went on: Trump lied that the U.S. has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has when it’s the other way around, and he was off by close to $100 billion when he named the amount the U.S. has provided to Ukraine. He was off by millions when he talked about how many migrants have crossed the border under Biden, and falsely claimed that some of Biden’s policies—like funding historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and reducing the price of insulin to $35 a month—were his own accomplishments.
There is no point in going on, because virtually everything he said was a lie. As Jake Lahut of the Daily Beast recorded, he also was all over the map. “On January 6,” Trump said, “we had a great border.” To explain how he would combat opioid addiction, he veered off into talking points about immigration and said his administration “bought the best dog.” He boasted about acing a cognitive test and that he had just recently won two golf club tournaments without mentioning that they were at his own golf courses. “To do that, you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way,” he said. “I can do it.”
As Lahut recorded, Trump said this: “Clean water and air. We had it. We had the H2O best numbers ever, and we were using all forms of energy during my 4 years. Best environmental numbers ever, they gave me the statistic [sic.] before I walked on stage actually.”
Trump also directly accused Biden of his own failings and claimed Biden’s own strengths, saying, for example, that Biden, who has enacted the most sweeping legislation of any president since at least Lyndon Johnson, couldn’t get anything done while he, who accomplished only tax cuts, was more effective. He responded to the calling out of his own criminal convictions by saying that Biden “could be a convicted felon,” and falsely stating: “This man is a criminal.” And, repeatedly, Trump called America a “failing nation” and described it as a hellscape.
It went on and on, and that was the point. This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It’s a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they don’t know where to start grappling with the flood that has just hit them.
It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020. In that case, though, the lack of muting on the mics left Biden simply saying: “Will you shut up, man?” a comment that resonated with the audience. Giving Biden the enforced space to answer by killing the mic of the person not speaking tonight actually made the technique more effective.
There are ways to combat the Gish gallop—by calling it out for what it is, among other ways—but Biden retreated to trying to give the three pieces of evidence that established his own credentials on the point at hand. His command of those points was notable, but the difference between how he sounded at the debate and how he sounded on stage at a rally in Raleigh, North Carolina, just an hour afterward suggested that the technique worked on him.
That’s not ideal, but as Monique Pressley put it, “The proof of Biden’s ability to run the country is the fact that he is running it. Successfully. Not a debate performance against a pathological lying sociopath.”
A much bigger deal is what it says that the television media and pundits so completely bought into Trump’s performance. They appear to have accepted Trump’s framing of the event—that he is dominant—so fully that the fact Trump unleashed a flood of lies and non-sequiturs simply didn’t register. And, since the format established that the CNN journalists running the debate did not challenge anything either candidate said, and Dale’s fact-checking spot came long after the debate ended, the takeaway of the event was a focus on Biden’s age rather than on Trump’s inability to tell the truth or form a coherent thought.
At the end of the evening, pundits were calling not for Trump—a man liable for sexual assault and business fraud, convicted of 34 felonies, under three other indictments, who lied pathologically—to step down, but for Biden to step down…because he looked and sounded old. At 81, Biden is indeed old, but that does not distinguish him much from Trump, who is 78 and whose inability to answer a question should raise concerns about his mental acuity.
About the effect of tonight’s events, former Republican operative Stuart Stevens warned: “Don’t day trade politics. It’s a sucker’s game. A guy from Queens out on bail bragged about overturning Roe v. Wade, said in public he didn’t have sex with a porn star, defended tax cuts for billionaires, defended Jan. 6th. and called America the worst country in the world. That guy isn’t going to win this race.”
Trump will clearly have pleased his base tonight, but Stevens is right to urge people to take a longer view. It’s not clear whether Trump or Biden picked up or lost votes; different polls gave the win to each, and it’s far too early to know how that will shake out over time.
Of far more lasting importance than this one night is the clear evidence that stage performance has trumped substance in political coverage in our era. Nine years after Trump launched his first campaign, the media continues to let him call the shots.
Appearance is everything & Biden appeared frail & Trump appeared strong. That is a real problem for Biden & I hope he acknowledges it & is able to overcome the perception. God help us if Trump is reelected!
CNN wants access and succumbed to playing the refs by TFG. He answered no questions. Stakes are too high to panic; surrogates and more speeches/events needed. Still Vote Blue in November!
Also, the moderators seemed to be walking on eggshells with regards to the orange prick, as if they were afraid of being uninvited to their next DC cocktail party.
I will continue to support President Biden, however, last night was a disaster and I couldn’t watch it after a while. They allowed Trump to ramble on and on, while Biden had short rebuttal time. It was the same old lies from Trump, but Biden could not keep up with him and just kept giving him these looks of “WTF is he talking about?” That made him look old and just plan out of it mentally. I was very disappointed. I don’t see how the Dems could switch gears at this point and nominate someone else. I’m glad it is only June and not October.
People hear with their eyes. I "saw" the debate last night and thought Biden looked horrible and confused. I "listened" to the debate today and I thought Biden was brilliant. Read the debate out loud to yourself and you will see that Biden was on point on every issue. Not sure MR T knew what he was talking about. But he sure makes funny faces......
I was a little freaked out by Biden's performance, or maybe disappointed, but now I see people I respect saying Biden should step aside? Seriously? Are you that fly-by-night? So the other guy was forceful but also lied like crazy and consistently and he became increasingly unhinged as it went along, as Biden found his footing (or a least better than at the beginning).
I remember the debate where Obama faltered. That was disappointing, but did I turn on him? Of course not.
But that's me.
Yes, I realize we all want the other guy to lose (JHFC, of course we do), but you turn on Biden that fast? Another JHFC. Get a grip.
As soon as I posted this, I see that the TIMES is calling for Biden to drop out? Fuck off , NYT. Are you calling for the other guy to drop out for lying throughout? No? Yeah. 'nuff said.
Thanks for this. Taking a deep breath here-and hoping for sanity to reign. Yes, Biden appeared weak and shaky and his responses were garbled and sentences trailing-but Trump was on one continuous lie bender last night-and it wasn’t countered. What was the role of the moderators? Where was the fact checking? An older, frail man who is decent and kind and honors our Constitution and has surrounded himself with stellar people in his cabinet and staff is the ONLY choice compared to a Hitler-wannabe convicted felon who is determined to murder democracy and is only suited to be named liar in chief.
Did you look at that man’s face? The face on the left side of the screen? A face devoid of empathy, compassion, or intelligence of any sort. A face of anger and hate. A face of incompetence. A face of the the fascist dictator, the deepest human failure yet. It’s not about that man. It’s about us, the voters, about real Americans, about We the People. We need to somehow get to the reactionary voters. Reactionary, not conservative. Stop calling them conservative, that's to fall prey to gaslighting. Those are the people who want that anger and hate in the White House. We can do it. Let’s use this unfortunate incident to redouble our own peace, love, strength and commitment. WE are the future.
Richard
A positive and strong way to deal with reality, Richard. After last night it’s safe to say that if you loathed Drumpf before, you loathe him even more now. Maybe this latest episode will re-energize Biden voters.
Thanks Larry, I think/hope this re-energizing is happening now, over a day later.
What your are seeing in that face is a sadistic psychopath, he has been diagnosed by Dr. Vince Greenwood who has a paper online if you search
Thank you! I have been saying for a long time that these people are NOT conservatives. They are radical reactionaries and they absolutely should not be allowed to win.
Yes, I also see it that way. I thought maybe if the word "reactionary" were used more, and we said what it means, then some few people who thought they were "just conservatives" would see otherwise and become aware of the damage their votes for T. would do even to themselves. And this because they were voting against their own best interests too.
Agreed!
My response was to send a donation to the Biden campaign.
I did as well but I am very worried after watching the debacle (debate). I had to turn it off after about an hour. Between Biden freezing up and trumps lies it was too much.
I turned it off after about 15 minutes. Still voting for Biden. I do not think it's a good idea for him step down. Nope. Bad idea. Also, it would have to be VP Harris. All this talk about replacing Biden with someone else. We have that person in Kalama Harris. Can you imagine if the delegates pick someone else? The first Black/Indian Woman VP passed over bc hey we don't think she can win or whatever reason. Way to anger one of the biggest and most loyal Democratic Party voters. AND she is completely qualified.
I agree. It’s the best way to show our support in the short term to counter the negative comments.
It's imperative we counter the narrative about Biden's performance with exposing each and every one of Trumps lies. The focus needs to be on talking about all the lies Trump spewed over and over again and how this is dangerous to our country and democracy.
Smart Americans are already aware that Democrats help our nation and Republicans destroy it.
Unfortunately, Americans in large part are not smart.
They expect a leader to be strong and vocal.
Last night, Joe Biden actually made Trump look good despite Trump lying constantly.
That’s a problem.
That’s a big fucking problem.
President Biden cannot plan to have a better debate in September.
He and his team need to do something now.
Now I remember why I no longer watch CNN. The moderation was total bullshit, Michelangelo. They allowed Orange Hitler to 'go back' every time to refute what President Biden said instead of answering the question posed to him. It was a pathetic display of allowing a psychotic narcissist control the narrative and to continually claim that his was the greatest administration ever. I tired of screaming liar at the television after 45 minutes. If people can't see how mentally incompetent OH is, we are in a LOT of trouble.
BS “moderation” to say the least. Did Jake Tapper and Dana Bash take “wimp”lessons from Merrick Garland?
I agree 100% Wonne. CNN is faux news light and I refuse to watch and get aggravated.
You’re correct that we’re in a lot of trouble. This country is rapidly becoming a joke. We’re heading down the path toward a Christian theocracy courtesy of Mitch McConnell, the GOP and tRump.
I appreciated Trump reminding us about Charlottesville & completely dodging his role in Jan 6th. I think those should be hammered on incessantly.
Michael, I had to yell at her ladyship Graham to get off the fainting couch so I could hyperventilate. I was dismayed at the man who was on the stage with a lunatic and my faith shimmered but not shaken. Took me back to Obama's first debate with Romney. Then we had little second guessing. Today I am more circumspect: Who do I trust to combat the impending dictatorship? Last evening was a stumble not a fall unless you depended on the debate to make up your mind
Who
In their right mind would forget all Biden’s accomplishments and opt to switch to Trump?
I needed this so badly this morning, Michelangelo. Between you and Stephanie Miller, I'm coming down from the tree limb. Tfg's lies were so blatant and Jake Tapper kept repeating questions like a fucking robot instead of calling him out. Plus, he kept referring to him as President Trump! This was a terrible debate on the part of CNN. Of course I am staying on Team Joe. I know he has our backs.
Good morning Michelangelo,
Here is some to consider talking about on your show today from Heather Cox Richardson.
Please look at the section on ‘The Gish Gallop’ technique Trump and his people used last night.
June 27, 2024
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
JUN 28
Tonight was the first debate between President Joe Biden and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, and by far the most striking thing about the debate was the overwhelming focus among pundits immediately afterward about Biden’s appearance and soft, hoarse voice as he rattled off statistics and events. Virtually unmentioned was the fact that Trump lied and rambled incoherently, ignored questions to say whatever he wanted; refused to acknowledge the events of January 6, 2021; and refused to commit to accepting the result of the 2024 presidential election, finally saying he would accept it only if it met his standards for fairness.
Immediately after the debate, there were calls for Biden to drop out of the race, but aside from the fact that the only time a presidential candidate has ever done that—in 1968—it threw the race into utter confusion and the president’s party lost, Biden needed to demonstrate that his mental capacity is strong in order to push back on the Republicans’ insistence that he is incapable of being president. That, he did, thoroughly. Biden began with a weak start but hit his stride as the evening wore on. Indeed, he covered his bases too thoroughly, listing the many accomplishments of his administration in such a hurry that he was sometimes hard to understand.
In contrast, Trump came out strong but faded and became less coherent over time. His entire performance was either lies or rambling non-sequiturs. He lied so incessantly throughout the evening that it took CNN fact-checker Daniel Dale almost three minutes, speaking quickly, to get through the list.
Trump said that some Democratic states allow people to execute babies after they’re born and that every legal scholar wanted Roe v. Wade overturned—both fantastical lies. He said that the deficit is at its highest level ever and that the U.S. trade deficit is at its highest ever: both of those things happened during his administration. He lied that there were no terrorist attacks during his presidency; there were many. He said that Biden wants to quadruple people’s taxes—this is “pure fiction,” according to Dale—and lied that his tax cuts paid for themselves; they have, in fact, added trillions of dollars to the national debt.
Dale went on: Trump lied that the U.S. has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has when it’s the other way around, and he was off by close to $100 billion when he named the amount the U.S. has provided to Ukraine. He was off by millions when he talked about how many migrants have crossed the border under Biden, and falsely claimed that some of Biden’s policies—like funding historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) and reducing the price of insulin to $35 a month—were his own accomplishments.
There is no point in going on, because virtually everything he said was a lie. As Jake Lahut of the Daily Beast recorded, he also was all over the map. “On January 6,” Trump said, “we had a great border.” To explain how he would combat opioid addiction, he veered off into talking points about immigration and said his administration “bought the best dog.” He boasted about acing a cognitive test and that he had just recently won two golf club tournaments without mentioning that they were at his own golf courses. “To do that, you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way,” he said. “I can do it.”
As Lahut recorded, Trump said this: “Clean water and air. We had it. We had the H2O best numbers ever, and we were using all forms of energy during my 4 years. Best environmental numbers ever, they gave me the statistic [sic.] before I walked on stage actually.”
Trump also directly accused Biden of his own failings and claimed Biden’s own strengths, saying, for example, that Biden, who has enacted the most sweeping legislation of any president since at least Lyndon Johnson, couldn’t get anything done while he, who accomplished only tax cuts, was more effective. He responded to the calling out of his own criminal convictions by saying that Biden “could be a convicted felon,” and falsely stating: “This man is a criminal.” And, repeatedly, Trump called America a “failing nation” and described it as a hellscape.
It went on and on, and that was the point. This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It’s a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they don’t know where to start grappling with the flood that has just hit them.
It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020. In that case, though, the lack of muting on the mics left Biden simply saying: “Will you shut up, man?” a comment that resonated with the audience. Giving Biden the enforced space to answer by killing the mic of the person not speaking tonight actually made the technique more effective.
There are ways to combat the Gish gallop—by calling it out for what it is, among other ways—but Biden retreated to trying to give the three pieces of evidence that established his own credentials on the point at hand. His command of those points was notable, but the difference between how he sounded at the debate and how he sounded on stage at a rally in Raleigh, North Carolina, just an hour afterward suggested that the technique worked on him.
That’s not ideal, but as Monique Pressley put it, “The proof of Biden’s ability to run the country is the fact that he is running it. Successfully. Not a debate performance against a pathological lying sociopath.”
A much bigger deal is what it says that the television media and pundits so completely bought into Trump’s performance. They appear to have accepted Trump’s framing of the event—that he is dominant—so fully that the fact Trump unleashed a flood of lies and non-sequiturs simply didn’t register. And, since the format established that the CNN journalists running the debate did not challenge anything either candidate said, and Dale’s fact-checking spot came long after the debate ended, the takeaway of the event was a focus on Biden’s age rather than on Trump’s inability to tell the truth or form a coherent thought.
At the end of the evening, pundits were calling not for Trump—a man liable for sexual assault and business fraud, convicted of 34 felonies, under three other indictments, who lied pathologically—to step down, but for Biden to step down…because he looked and sounded old. At 81, Biden is indeed old, but that does not distinguish him much from Trump, who is 78 and whose inability to answer a question should raise concerns about his mental acuity.
About the effect of tonight’s events, former Republican operative Stuart Stevens warned: “Don’t day trade politics. It’s a sucker’s game. A guy from Queens out on bail bragged about overturning Roe v. Wade, said in public he didn’t have sex with a porn star, defended tax cuts for billionaires, defended Jan. 6th. and called America the worst country in the world. That guy isn’t going to win this race.”
Trump will clearly have pleased his base tonight, but Stevens is right to urge people to take a longer view. It’s not clear whether Trump or Biden picked up or lost votes; different polls gave the win to each, and it’s far too early to know how that will shake out over time.
Of far more lasting importance than this one night is the clear evidence that stage performance has trumped substance in political coverage in our era. Nine years after Trump launched his first campaign, the media continues to let him call the shots.
Read this earlier and she is spot on!
Appearance is everything & Biden appeared frail & Trump appeared strong. That is a real problem for Biden & I hope he acknowledges it & is able to overcome the perception. God help us if Trump is reelected!
Time to refer to Trump as “ jacked up” last night.
Thanks Mike!
First debates always bad for the incumbent.
CNN wants access and succumbed to playing the refs by TFG. He answered no questions. Stakes are too high to panic; surrogates and more speeches/events needed. Still Vote Blue in November!
Also, the moderators seemed to be walking on eggshells with regards to the orange prick, as if they were afraid of being uninvited to their next DC cocktail party.
I will continue to support President Biden, however, last night was a disaster and I couldn’t watch it after a while. They allowed Trump to ramble on and on, while Biden had short rebuttal time. It was the same old lies from Trump, but Biden could not keep up with him and just kept giving him these looks of “WTF is he talking about?” That made him look old and just plan out of it mentally. I was very disappointed. I don’t see how the Dems could switch gears at this point and nominate someone else. I’m glad it is only June and not October.
People hear with their eyes. I "saw" the debate last night and thought Biden looked horrible and confused. I "listened" to the debate today and I thought Biden was brilliant. Read the debate out loud to yourself and you will see that Biden was on point on every issue. Not sure MR T knew what he was talking about. But he sure makes funny faces......
I was a little freaked out by Biden's performance, or maybe disappointed, but now I see people I respect saying Biden should step aside? Seriously? Are you that fly-by-night? So the other guy was forceful but also lied like crazy and consistently and he became increasingly unhinged as it went along, as Biden found his footing (or a least better than at the beginning).
I remember the debate where Obama faltered. That was disappointing, but did I turn on him? Of course not.
But that's me.
Yes, I realize we all want the other guy to lose (JHFC, of course we do), but you turn on Biden that fast? Another JHFC. Get a grip.
As soon as I posted this, I see that the TIMES is calling for Biden to drop out? Fuck off , NYT. Are you calling for the other guy to drop out for lying throughout? No? Yeah. 'nuff said.