Wow! So much to digest here. The Dems have a PR problem and I WISH I could just sit at a table with them and outline a messaging strategy from now until Nov 5th! I'm a 35-year marketing professional and brand writer and it is literally KILLING me to see our DEMS not cohesive with the messaging here and not having a united front. The GOP is looking at ALL of this and know that the indecisiveness in our party will just open the door all neat and tidy for them to take right over - they know it and planned it! Biden's debate performance was just the spark they needed to push it forward. The threats are crystal clear. And the cherry on top is the division of our party over this, which should have never happened! I'm sorry, but any DEMS in congress still harping on the step down after Biden has made his decision is now hurting the party - period. Make a decision or move the F on with supporting Biden already! That all being said, we all could have 100% faith in Biden based on his track record alone over the last 4 years and so should our DEMS in congress. Here is what the GOP doesn't want you or DEMS to grasp on to .... guess what, they KNOW Biden can beat Trump so they are going to do everything to tell us the sky is green when we know it is blue. And yes, Biden kicked ass at NATO and those folks are supporting Biden too. I truly believe that all this "noise" is fear ....stay the course as nothing really significant has changed even though the GOP wants you to think it has. BTW, I'm in Collier County FL and I'm seeing a HUGE decrease in Trump regalia on cars and yards here compared to the first election and this is ground zero for MAGA. Not even a fraction of what we saw here the first time. The first election, I could barely drive around and work without wanting to vomit. LOL Very different now.
Thanks Nella for saying this so well. As Michelangelo has said, we need to focus on the harm OH will do with his project 2025, and the immunity he will receive after he takes down our democracy. People must know they will lose their safety nets and healthcare will privatize, so they’d better have a lot of savings to cover their health costs. The environment is another major issue-any initiatives to combat climate change will be null and void.
You are young, progressive and your energy is what we need right now. Glad that from your prospective, Florida is cooling on maga; we need that to continue around the country.
It’s going to take our youth and energy to lead us to freedom (support from Taylor and Dolly would help too.)
Guys, I do have to clarify my stupendous typo! I am actually 54, not 35. That was a typo because I was typing so fast! LOLOL However, I agree - our youth know what's at stake I beleive. I wish I was still 35! But honestly, so much smarter now than then :) Sorry about that LOLOL
No worries, Nella. For me, 54 is still “youth.”lol
Biden/Harris is one ticket with one major goal-to protect America from the racism, misogyny, and anger of Drumpf. Should Biden step down for whatever reason, his replacement is very capable and she will have a slew of great VP’s to choose from.
Let’s focus on Project 2025 and the havoc it represents.
You are correct. And I admit to being guilty of panic. But, me doing that is one thing, congressional people and other high profile people and media doing it is another. I am in VT and I am not happy with Peter Welch for publically saying what he is saying. Clearly there are concerns and behind the scenes discussions going on. We know that is happening and it may be that Biden steps down in the end. We don't know. UNTIL a definitve path forward is fully decided upon, it does NO GOOD at all for people like Welch to come out publically to create more doubt. Typical Dems. Shooting themselves in thw foot every damned time!!!
I am soooo sick and tired of hearing about that Biden should step down. We voted for him in the primary. I don't care what the polls say anymore because they have been wrong for a number of years now. We just need to keep talking about Project 2025 and lets get behind Biden...... If there was no debate, would we be talking about having Biden step down???
I just posted on Facebook that Inflation is down and they are talking about now on MSNBC. I am tired of hearing about Biden's decline with what we are facing. Biden is doing an amazing job at NATO !! I did get into with someone about Biden and Gaza and was like "OMG, Biden didn't start the war, Trump will 100x's worse for the people Gaza, and Blinkin is trying to negotiate a ceasefire" Lord help us!! To me the choice is clear, vote Democrat down the entire ticket, period!! Quoting Kathryn Hahn she would vote for Biden "if he were a skeleton". Me too!! Me Too!! And what I think people are forgetting is they want to keep pushing Roe under the carpet, like it didn't matter ... that is BS!! Doesn't anybody remember the angry mobs of millions of women, not just in this country, but in other countries as well who took to the streets after Trump was elected. To quote Joe Biden "If it s a Big F'in Deal"!!
Some Democrats tried to do the same thing to Harry Truman in 1948. I think the same thing will happen with Joe Biden, there is grumbling from DINOs and MSM which is owned and operated by RepubliKKKlans, but the country likes Biden and he will be reelected. The Fascist GOP is scared because thanks to the corrupt SCOTUS, Joe has the power right now that #TraitorTrump covets and I can't wait to see what he does with it next year...or sooner, if push comes to shove. Remember "Give 'em hell, Harry!" This year's slogan should be "Kick Their Ass, Joe!"
I may be wrong, but I believe those who are panicking over Biden all want the same thing…beating Trump and what he stands for. If only we can focus all this energy on defeating him instead of infighting, we would have a chance no matter who the Democrats ultimately choose as the candidate. Project 2025 along with presidential immunity provided by the SCOTUS recent decision is akin to the Handmaids Tale and 1984 combined. The Orange Dementing Menace and all he stands for must be defeated!
But as I see it the Dems and others are continuing the argument about Joe when we elected him and now a bunch of them want him out. How can they go against the will of the people. We voted for him. And there’s no time for another candidate. Besides after Joe is in, Kamala is there to take over. That’s why there are vice-presidents in the first place. I’m interested in how she will handle the racism toward her.
Still if anyone has a hard time backing Biden, they should check out YouTube video by Seth Abramson (Proof) that has to answer any question out there.
It’s terrible to turn in your leader. I can’t watch any program now as the media and now democrats are against who they supported all along. How can you replace a candidate months before a campaign? It’s all designed for Trump to win. What a sad state we are in.
I'm an old Democrat who wants to win. That is the driving force behind my posts and have no problem with Kamala Harris's race or gender. For me it is purely about defeating Trump and I am nervous about Harris overcoming the racists and misogynists on the right and our worthless MSM to be victorious. What I didn't like is your caller who had no problem branding Democrats like me as being a misogynists for having doubts about her electability that has nothing to do with her personally. We have plenty of Progressives still prepared to attack the Dems from the perspective of Democrats not measuring up to Progressive ideals. I am not always happy with the Democrats but see nothing to be gained by attacking the only political organization we have with any chance of beating Trump. Fear of loss is not the same as hating Biden or Harris.
if you care about winning you'd be worried about angering the most important constituency, Black voters, and depressing the vote by bypassing Harris--not to mention that the Congressional Black Caucus is backing Biden as are Black voters. Any other candidate beyond Harris with Biden's backing would be a likely loss if the base is depressed. Without the base, the few independents don't matter.
So it’s just not going to happen. The party won’t do it. It’s Biden or Harris. That’s your choice , and it’s Biden’s decision.
I’ve said it before—if we fret about nominating a woman and POC then we OURSELVES are dooming us to forever nominating white men. No thanks, Team Harris all the way
I really thought this whole debate thing would last a few days and we would move on. It’s ridiculous. I was disappointed by the entire debate, not just Biden.
But, when I saw the NYT calling for him to step down I got really PISSED!
How dare they!!!! How dare they. After all we have been through with Trump and not once have any news papers come out and said anything about him stepping away. Or asked why the Republicans continue to support him. NOT ONE!
Here we are almost 3 weeks later and I watch President Biden’s press conference and every question has to do with his age.
I refuse to watch any news media. NONE. Even MSNBC. I’m not much of a news watcher anyway.
I’m going on vacation again, to your neck of the woods, Michelangelo. Long Island, NYC and Maine. Glad I’ll miss the gutless republicans anoint their King.
Yes must focus on the prize! It's the republican draft 2025 i way to find and control kids that aren't straight and Christian. TRUMP Youth group camps?
On the issue of not talking about Trump every day representing a lost opportunity, I couldn’t agree more. Here is a piece I posted on what the Democrats should be doing-now:
Have you noticed that when the states hold a vote, people vote to support access to abortion? and not by a little. By a lot. And the Republicans STILL won’t accept that Americans do NOT want to ban abortion.
So it isn’t about holding a vote. It’s about Republicans controlling women. It’s about doing what the extremists want. Deny abortion. Deny birth control. Deny IVF. Deny same-sex marriage. Deny no-fault divorce. Deny voting rights. Deny history. Deny books. Deny healthcare. Deny Social Security and Medicare. Deny. Deny. Deny. Period. Full stop.
Republicans have shown over and over that they cannot be trusted to protect democracy. Or women. Or human rights. Or voting rights. The solution is to vote them
That's why Repuglicans are constantly talking about Biden. Just today a Trump supporter from Long Island said he's training and forming a 75-member militia. This is not a drill. And here we are letting them set the narrative.
Wow! So much to digest here. The Dems have a PR problem and I WISH I could just sit at a table with them and outline a messaging strategy from now until Nov 5th! I'm a 35-year marketing professional and brand writer and it is literally KILLING me to see our DEMS not cohesive with the messaging here and not having a united front. The GOP is looking at ALL of this and know that the indecisiveness in our party will just open the door all neat and tidy for them to take right over - they know it and planned it! Biden's debate performance was just the spark they needed to push it forward. The threats are crystal clear. And the cherry on top is the division of our party over this, which should have never happened! I'm sorry, but any DEMS in congress still harping on the step down after Biden has made his decision is now hurting the party - period. Make a decision or move the F on with supporting Biden already! That all being said, we all could have 100% faith in Biden based on his track record alone over the last 4 years and so should our DEMS in congress. Here is what the GOP doesn't want you or DEMS to grasp on to .... guess what, they KNOW Biden can beat Trump so they are going to do everything to tell us the sky is green when we know it is blue. And yes, Biden kicked ass at NATO and those folks are supporting Biden too. I truly believe that all this "noise" is fear ....stay the course as nothing really significant has changed even though the GOP wants you to think it has. BTW, I'm in Collier County FL and I'm seeing a HUGE decrease in Trump regalia on cars and yards here compared to the first election and this is ground zero for MAGA. Not even a fraction of what we saw here the first time. The first election, I could barely drive around and work without wanting to vomit. LOL Very different now.
Thanks Nella for saying this so well. As Michelangelo has said, we need to focus on the harm OH will do with his project 2025, and the immunity he will receive after he takes down our democracy. People must know they will lose their safety nets and healthcare will privatize, so they’d better have a lot of savings to cover their health costs. The environment is another major issue-any initiatives to combat climate change will be null and void.
You are young, progressive and your energy is what we need right now. Glad that from your prospective, Florida is cooling on maga; we need that to continue around the country.
It’s going to take our youth and energy to lead us to freedom (support from Taylor and Dolly would help too.)
Guys, I do have to clarify my stupendous typo! I am actually 54, not 35. That was a typo because I was typing so fast! LOLOL However, I agree - our youth know what's at stake I beleive. I wish I was still 35! But honestly, so much smarter now than then :) Sorry about that LOLOL
No worries, Nella. For me, 54 is still “youth.”lol
Biden/Harris is one ticket with one major goal-to protect America from the racism, misogyny, and anger of Drumpf. Should Biden step down for whatever reason, his replacement is very capable and she will have a slew of great VP’s to choose from.
Let’s focus on Project 2025 and the havoc it represents.
100% agreed!
You are correct. And I admit to being guilty of panic. But, me doing that is one thing, congressional people and other high profile people and media doing it is another. I am in VT and I am not happy with Peter Welch for publically saying what he is saying. Clearly there are concerns and behind the scenes discussions going on. We know that is happening and it may be that Biden steps down in the end. We don't know. UNTIL a definitve path forward is fully decided upon, it does NO GOOD at all for people like Welch to come out publically to create more doubt. Typical Dems. Shooting themselves in thw foot every damned time!!!
I am soooo sick and tired of hearing about that Biden should step down. We voted for him in the primary. I don't care what the polls say anymore because they have been wrong for a number of years now. We just need to keep talking about Project 2025 and lets get behind Biden...... If there was no debate, would we be talking about having Biden step down???
Agree!!!
I just posted on Facebook that Inflation is down and they are talking about now on MSNBC. I am tired of hearing about Biden's decline with what we are facing. Biden is doing an amazing job at NATO !! I did get into with someone about Biden and Gaza and was like "OMG, Biden didn't start the war, Trump will 100x's worse for the people Gaza, and Blinkin is trying to negotiate a ceasefire" Lord help us!! To me the choice is clear, vote Democrat down the entire ticket, period!! Quoting Kathryn Hahn she would vote for Biden "if he were a skeleton". Me too!! Me Too!! And what I think people are forgetting is they want to keep pushing Roe under the carpet, like it didn't matter ... that is BS!! Doesn't anybody remember the angry mobs of millions of women, not just in this country, but in other countries as well who took to the streets after Trump was elected. To quote Joe Biden "If it s a Big F'in Deal"!!
Some Democrats tried to do the same thing to Harry Truman in 1948. I think the same thing will happen with Joe Biden, there is grumbling from DINOs and MSM which is owned and operated by RepubliKKKlans, but the country likes Biden and he will be reelected. The Fascist GOP is scared because thanks to the corrupt SCOTUS, Joe has the power right now that #TraitorTrump covets and I can't wait to see what he does with it next year...or sooner, if push comes to shove. Remember "Give 'em hell, Harry!" This year's slogan should be "Kick Their Ass, Joe!"
Love it👍👏👏👏
I may be wrong, but I believe those who are panicking over Biden all want the same thing…beating Trump and what he stands for. If only we can focus all this energy on defeating him instead of infighting, we would have a chance no matter who the Democrats ultimately choose as the candidate. Project 2025 along with presidential immunity provided by the SCOTUS recent decision is akin to the Handmaids Tale and 1984 combined. The Orange Dementing Menace and all he stands for must be defeated!
But as I see it the Dems and others are continuing the argument about Joe when we elected him and now a bunch of them want him out. How can they go against the will of the people. We voted for him. And there’s no time for another candidate. Besides after Joe is in, Kamala is there to take over. That’s why there are vice-presidents in the first place. I’m interested in how she will handle the racism toward her.
Still if anyone has a hard time backing Biden, they should check out YouTube video by Seth Abramson (Proof) that has to answer any question out there.
It’s terrible to turn in your leader. I can’t watch any program now as the media and now democrats are against who they supported all along. How can you replace a candidate months before a campaign? It’s all designed for Trump to win. What a sad state we are in.
I'm an old Democrat who wants to win. That is the driving force behind my posts and have no problem with Kamala Harris's race or gender. For me it is purely about defeating Trump and I am nervous about Harris overcoming the racists and misogynists on the right and our worthless MSM to be victorious. What I didn't like is your caller who had no problem branding Democrats like me as being a misogynists for having doubts about her electability that has nothing to do with her personally. We have plenty of Progressives still prepared to attack the Dems from the perspective of Democrats not measuring up to Progressive ideals. I am not always happy with the Democrats but see nothing to be gained by attacking the only political organization we have with any chance of beating Trump. Fear of loss is not the same as hating Biden or Harris.
if you care about winning you'd be worried about angering the most important constituency, Black voters, and depressing the vote by bypassing Harris--not to mention that the Congressional Black Caucus is backing Biden as are Black voters. Any other candidate beyond Harris with Biden's backing would be a likely loss if the base is depressed. Without the base, the few independents don't matter.
So it’s just not going to happen. The party won’t do it. It’s Biden or Harris. That’s your choice , and it’s Biden’s decision.
I’ve said it before—if we fret about nominating a woman and POC then we OURSELVES are dooming us to forever nominating white men. No thanks, Team Harris all the way
If Trump wins your point will be moot. I hope you are ready with a plan in case the worst happens.
Are you branding me as racist and misogynistic too?
I really thought this whole debate thing would last a few days and we would move on. It’s ridiculous. I was disappointed by the entire debate, not just Biden.
But, when I saw the NYT calling for him to step down I got really PISSED!
How dare they!!!! How dare they. After all we have been through with Trump and not once have any news papers come out and said anything about him stepping away. Or asked why the Republicans continue to support him. NOT ONE!
Here we are almost 3 weeks later and I watch President Biden’s press conference and every question has to do with his age.
I refuse to watch any news media. NONE. Even MSNBC. I’m not much of a news watcher anyway.
I’m going on vacation again, to your neck of the woods, Michelangelo. Long Island, NYC and Maine. Glad I’ll miss the gutless republicans anoint their King.
Yes must focus on the prize! It's the republican draft 2025 i way to find and control kids that aren't straight and Christian. TRUMP Youth group camps?
On the issue of not talking about Trump every day representing a lost opportunity, I couldn’t agree more. Here is a piece I posted on what the Democrats should be doing-now:
https://mmansour.substack.com/p/the-democrats-need-to-start-playing
Have you noticed that when the states hold a vote, people vote to support access to abortion? and not by a little. By a lot. And the Republicans STILL won’t accept that Americans do NOT want to ban abortion.
So it isn’t about holding a vote. It’s about Republicans controlling women. It’s about doing what the extremists want. Deny abortion. Deny birth control. Deny IVF. Deny same-sex marriage. Deny no-fault divorce. Deny voting rights. Deny history. Deny books. Deny healthcare. Deny Social Security and Medicare. Deny. Deny. Deny. Period. Full stop.
Republicans have shown over and over that they cannot be trusted to protect democracy. Or women. Or human rights. Or voting rights. The solution is to vote them
out of power, up and down the ballot.
Rep Eric Swawell posted an excellent idea. I don’t have a link (sorry), but his idea was this:
Don’t say Project 2025.
Say Trump’s Project 2025.
Don’t say “Trump’s Project 2025”…. We need to call it “Mein Drumpf”…. the pro- 2025 manifesto .!!
So can someone explain what it is the NYT wants us to do? Both candidates are unfit? Should we be looking for a magic lamp? 🤦♀️
In my opinion, they want Trump . They just ran that piece bc of all the blowback. Just my opinion.
That's why Repuglicans are constantly talking about Biden. Just today a Trump supporter from Long Island said he's training and forming a 75-member militia. This is not a drill. And here we are letting them set the narrative.
THIS should be plastered all ober mainstream media. So frustrated.
http://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartmann/p/trumps-secretary-of-retribution-has-2b2?r=1ft5b&utm_medium=ios