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donnab's avatar

Just another MAGA ignoramus. Bibles of any kind do not belong in public schools. Homosexuality cannot be taught. It is innate. As the mother of two wonderful adult children who happen to be gay, I can honestly say that my children grew up in a nice middle class suburb, attended Sunday school, attended suburban public schools, and had a stable home life. They weren't taught to be gay. They just were a little different as kids, and it wasn't until later on that they came out of their closets. When people spout off bullshit about LGBTQ, I let him have it right then and there. I do not allow nasty remarks about people who are like my children.

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Donna's avatar

Bibles in public schools? Never in my lifetime has there been bibles in public schools. Not the 50’s,60’s,70’s,80’s or 90’s. My parents went to public schools and never were there bibles or religious discussions in their schools. Send your child to a religious school if that is what you think is important. I knew many people who went to Catholic School. They had a class that was about ALL religions, which was mandatory. I have no problem with that. I knew many people that are Mormon. They went to public school and spent a lot of time at their church, but they never spoke about their religion in school.

We must remember that these MAGA folks only get their info from trump and his followers. They have no idea what the truth is because they don’t hear the truth.

I finally pulled a “Michelangelo” the other day on a MAGA nut in my life. (That’s what I call it when I have had enough of their BS.) 🤣Told her she was in a cult ( she accused Kamala Harris of giving BJ’s to get to where she was in her career) Disgusting!!! I no longer will give these people any grace. Women attacking Women is something I will not tolerate. This person has her own business, and I told her she would not have what she has if it were not for Women like Harris who paved the way for her. Yet she votes for a man who was convicted of fraud and sexual assault. She accused Democrats of creating Project 2025 to scare people. I told her that is a lie and she should google it. She asked “ Who owns Google? You can’t fact check anything anymore” Again, they only believe what they are told by trump.

So, thanks Mike for giving me the power to speak up and put down these lies that are spread through right wing social media. Have a great weekend, and remember we have the Power to speak up and speak out about lies and disinformation!

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donnab's avatar

Thanks, Donna. I can't stand women disparaging other women, and a highly educated one on top of it! Usually, it's the losers and dropouts who resent intelligent females. I saw it when I was working. Evangelical women, divorced multiple times who were just flat-out racists and misogynists on top of it! I was so happy to retire!

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Donna's avatar

And the hypocritical thing about it is that any woman who is highly educated and successful got there because of the early Women’s movement, the right to vote, and the Feminist movement of the 60’s and 70’s. They have no concept of the history and they take it for granted, then vote for misogyny and anti woman legislation.

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Larry's avatar

They say we have TDS and that he lives in our minds. I tell them they have Drumpf DELUSION Syndrome and he CONTROLS their minds.

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MADAZHELL's avatar

As always Michaelangelo, a brilliant slay! I’m a Professor of African American Studies and I’ve been listening to you for years. 💙 I’d like to decode something having to do with this poor man’s excuses for choosing the Orange Menace instead of the Black woman.

Trump would NEVER allow himself to be defeated by a woman, let alone a Black woman. He knows uneducated white Americans and generations of immigrants and black and brown and Asian folks don’t know or care about the Black body’s presence on this land of native Americans. “The Lie” the “Myth” of America is so much easier to believe. It makes it so difficult for me a direct descendant of a slave to develop the skills to reconcile that generational trauma. I have to do it.

This caller is swept up into the Lie because it’s so easy. The mind is powerful. How easy was it for him to say he’d be proud to have his daughter sit next to “pussy grabber” His mind can’t compute that Trump is a monster because if he let himself the paroxysms of horror would mean that he himself is a monster. The origins of our nation are monstrous. But there can be reconciliation if we are taught to handle our history before “The Orange Omen” blows it all up. Americans don’t have the language or ability to articulate what we are because they believe in “The Lie” so robustly this caller would put his own child in danger rather than save her future. I’ll leave you with this quote from Eddie Glaude Jr. about “The Lie”

“So 'The Lie' is what we tell to justify the valuation that is at the heart of the “American” project. So, you know, James Baldwin wrote an essay, in 1964, titled "The White Problem," and he said, "The men and women who founded this country knew that the men and women that they had held as slaves were in fact human beings, but they had to deny that they were human beings, 'cause if they weren't, then no crime would've been committed."

Your caller and tens of millions of people have done the same thing… “Then no crime would’ve been committed.”

Thank you for your voice and hard hard work. Keep going! We need you!

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Larry's avatar

Well stated; America avoids the mirror of its history.

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Sakina's avatar

Amen!

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Therese Brosnan's avatar

Sir, in a simple essence you persuade the case for "wokeness", without which there can be no reconciliation of our history, nor breaking free of the cognitive dissonance that maintains "The Lie"

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MADAZHELL's avatar

Thank you but I prefer to acknowledge my journey and work as enlightening/elucidating that which remains darkened or ideologies that lack light must have it… As conflicted a person Thomas Jefferson was and someone I detest he was a child of the Enlightenment. Our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, have enshrined within them Enlightenment dogma or “Wokeness”. Just like MCCARTHY fighting to crush “communism” which was a fight against social and racial justice MAGA is the same thing. I do go on! Thank you!

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Therese Brosnan's avatar

Nuanced point well taken and thank you - not a wasted word among any you wrote, as I'm ever an appreciative student. First generation American as well, whose white non-Anglo Euro heritage includes oppressive history... my first familial education - discrete considerations to the current topic but a baseline which lends awareness of a bigger historical picture and from which I approach reasoning. I own my US citizenship and the privilege my race affords here. Maybe a point I'll draw from my own ramblings is more emotional than intellectual, forced anew by the election to process sadness over the ongoing human-on-human abuse, across time and history. Work such as yours, in elucidating egregious historical facts, is a potent force for change of that sad history.

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Jeff C.'s avatar

The bible has so many horrible things in it that make your average sex-ed book look like one of those Little Golden Books for kids. Last time I checked, sex-ed books didn't have genocide, incest, constant violence, mass death, torture, and how to get away with rape by marrying your victim.

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TracyK's avatar

That man should be castrated, plain and simple! He should not be allowed to have children or be left alone with them....the thought of any real father leaving their daughter with Trump, let alone anyone in that right wing sex offender cult, is just beyond disgusting. Keep your perverted twisted bibles out of schools. They mine as well leave the whole new testament out of them, because there are no teachings of Jesus in this cult.

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Wonne's avatar

Yes sir, my friend another one bites the dust, kudos! And NO school board should be buying bibles from the monster. Just to clarify something he said, 'they teach sex ed without parental consent'. I had sex ed when I was in 6th grade (1961) with boys in the gym and girls in the auditorium. Not sure if there was consent, but I think sex ed has been part of the curriculum for quite a while. The gym teacher, however, did not discuss any sex act, gay or otherwise, he merely discussed our "equipment" as I recall.

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Sakina's avatar

So true, Wonne! And I recall that parental consent was necessary for girls in elementary school to take "hygiene" regarding menstruation. I had sex ed in junior high and/or high school and it was pretty basic for the mid-seventies. I don't recall if parental consent was needed for that.

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Kay G's avatar

I had “sex ed” in the seventies too. No parental consent. They taught us about contraception too.

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Sakina's avatar

Correct!

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Derrick's avatar

Wonne, 5th grade in school they separated us and we boys heard we are “developing” into adults and one thing that means is hair growth and under arm stink, start using deodorant. The girls were whisked away and it was all hush-hush very secretive. They were being informed of the monthly visitor and the like. At that level I don’t think any info about “the act”. 8th grade science perhaps several drawings and some bit on functions. I recall basic drawing of the uterus, fallopian tubes and ovaries looked rather like a cow’s head to farm boy. That’s about it. Parents never sat me down. They had a paperback book in nightstand in their bedroom and I was 6 of 6 kids, the section that talked about “heavy petting leads to sex”, by time my eyes were on stalks those few pages were loose and about falling out of the book. LOL!! I suspect parents figured that was “the talk” since kids know where everything is squirreled away in a home.

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Sakina's avatar

Hey Derrik, my parents had books, too, which I read from cover to cover. There was never "the talk".

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donnab's avatar

So true, Sakina. My parents never told me anything about sex. In fact, we couldn't even say that word in the house!! AND....I went to Catholic School so you can guess how clueless I was!

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Sakina's avatar

LOL! Same here, and we didn't even go to Catholic School or to church on a regular basis.

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Derrick's avatar

Sakina, interesting the similarities how our parents covered that topic. Or not directly covered it. I’m so pragmatic now I don’t see much discomfort bringing it up to youth, better than STD or preggers. Our small town school in 70’s the kids had code for PG, “She got smart”. I have never figured out how that morphed into “smart”, maybe we just wanted code that “old” people were clueless what we were talking about. I wonder if that term was just our school or a much larger thing? Baptist mom’s side of family, I recall subtle guilt laid down. 7th grade and I brought home from library beautiful, large glossy colored photos of classical renaissance artists nude works “those are dirty pictures”. Me “These are classic art works”, nothing more said, not banned. Playing cards with Kings and Queens on them were frowned on for kids’ Old Maid or Go Fish games, because those cards more typically were used for gambling. And dancing was in some way frowned on. Was of the devil and could lead to sex. Heard a funny just the other day on that, “why don’t Baptists have premarital sex ? Because it leads to dancing”. LOL. An older sis-in-law a strong evangelical, tried to lay guilt on me, “but if you do that, even tho you’re being good, it doesn’t LOOK good and could cause someone else to fall and sin”. Nope !!!! Even as a kid I was a free thinker and no mortal being is laying guilt on me. Nope nope. Preachers love to “should” on their congregations and I used to “should” myself as motivation to do more. Eventually figured out “should” is a very dirty word, in my head I change it to “could”. MUCH BETTER !! 8th grade Bible School time the teacher lady truly shocked me and I immediately knew was wrong instruction. We kids then didn’t think we had a right to speak up against an adult. To this day I’d like to go back and correct her. All white rural Midwest area, she was trying to teach in church “Be ye not unequally yoked” meant we should not marry anyone with a different skin tone. In my heart I knew that meant it was best to not marry an unbeliever or someone from a wildly different religion. Guilt, I’m not having it laid on me by a mere mortal !! An uptight rigid far right guilt laden church I’m not attending. For one thing, I don’t wish to rub shoulders with well over half the congregation STILL supporting their GOO, Great Orange One. Nope. Not gonna happen and no unproductive guilt. I’m resolute.

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Sakina's avatar

No shoulds, musts or oughts ruling my life, that's for sure! I also counsel my clients to refrain from such thinking. I'm fortunate to have grown up in blue collar working class Detroit, MI, so things were a bit less rigid than with my Baptist kinfolk down in GA and FL. Parents took us to the drive-in with R-rated movies, the ones now called Blaxploitation films. That was the disconnect with my parents. They didn't talk about sex and gave us the impression that we couldn't ask questions, so I looked things up on my own. I read a lot back then because I was shy and not social, so I couldn't be led astray with misinformation from my peers. I remember my younger sister once asking what a prostitute was and my mom answered that it was a woman who "sells herself for money". As a kid around 10 years old (my sister was 8yo), the answer made no sense to me. Yet noone dared to ask the follow up question or say that we didn't understand.

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Katherine Silta's avatar

Listening to you on Sirius XM as I do most afternoons that I can. Enjoying the discussion about what people are doing for the holidays. As for me, my family are all liberals and anti-tRumpers. My partner's family is probably 80/20'with the 20 being tRumpers. (She has a very large family)We have more or less cut ties with the 20% . We will be with family at Christmas, but are looking forward to going out to Thanksgiving dinner this year at a nice Inn here in Vermont. I usually have a crowd of friends over and do a lot of cooking, but I am really not yet in a huge socializing mood, even with my like- minded friends. I simply need a break right now, so I have been concentrating inward a bit.Tip-toeing my way back in at this point.

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Katherine Silta's avatar

Building up my strength for the fight ahead.

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Katherine Silta's avatar

And BtW, Reagan was the beginning of much of rhe shitshow we are dealing with now, so when they call themselves "Reagan Conservatives" that ia always a red flag for me and no badge of honor.

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Larry's avatar

You’re lucky to have a lot of “blue” family and friends. My family leans “red” and so except for immediate family (one sister and her two daughters) I’ve distanced from the magacons. They voted for a convicted felon, sexual predator and treasonist who doesn’t follow the rule of law, so my concern for them has diminished to nothing.

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Katherine Silta's avatar

The whole thing is a dystopian nightmare. They are about to FO what happens when you FA.

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Jeff C.'s avatar

That Drumpf caller is just as cowardly as the other Drumpf callers who claim to be "independent". They are too gutless to admit that they voted for Orange Shitler, and loved being conned by religious hucksters as long as they say the right things and wave the right pieces of cloth.

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Barbara Quissell's avatar

Holy Moly Michaelangelo! You cornered that ignoramus! What kind of world do these people live in when they don't know up from down

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Teddy Partridge's avatar

Every Accusation Is A Confession*

*And Every One of Them Knows It!

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Richard Simonelli's avatar

Michelangelo, thanks for replaying the Jason caller. I feel you did spot him for what he really was quickly, a cultist Trump supporter despite his attempt to camouflage it. To me his strategy was one of normalizing, rationalizing, and gaslighting the entire Trump and Republican power grab, with their reactionary, hurtful agenda, just as was done by the media throughout the lead in to the election. He tried to make it all sound it reasonable. He presented the reactionary hard right agenda in a bland manner in the sense of, “No problem here, folks, what’s bothering you?” To be honest with you, I find that tone also to be one used by National Public Radio. I’ve stopped listening to NPR for that reason.

Would Jason have entered into a real discussion with you if you had not become passionately angry? I really doubt it. Those were talking points presented in a disguised, disarming way. It’s really shocking that he would leave a young daughter alone with that man.

I think you could have expressed some anger, but less anger, and in its place a firm disdain for his shameful position and the harm it is already bringing our nation. To get too angry probably makes them gloat even more about their victory. They need to hang up feeling shamed for what they’ve done, not successful. This is not a criticism however. You catch on to these guys much faster than I do.

Richard

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donnab's avatar

You can't talk to them. They say, "Oh, I don't like the way Trump acts, but I like his policies." Duh! That's a typical Fox News patron.

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Teddy Partridge's avatar

"Love The Sinner, Hate the Sin!"

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Terence Hughes's avatar

They always have to drag in the gay thing, don’t they?

When he declared that he’d trust his daughter with only Trump in the room, I suspect he figured he had to double down. Imbecile.

As to Bibles in school—absolutely not! Aren’t there churches for such garbage?

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tony's avatar

I truly believe they are all just outright racist

Michael I tried to call your show about the healthcare system any chance you write a article or have a guest on the show about the nature of the system

Ps I read the biography book on the tales of the city writer it was great

He mentions you glowingly about your activism

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Tom's avatar

Most of the people screaming for Bibles in the classroom either don't have one in their home or it's collecting dust somewhere. Religious beliefs are the responsibility of the family and that means just not talking about it but demonstrating it un their daily lives.

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Therese Brosnan's avatar

At least on my radar, it seems emergent in commentary that manipulative speech of the right is being increasingly explicated as Michelangelo did here. I find this extremely helpful and would like to attain greater fluency in recognizing such tactics. To that end, thank you for these examples, Michelangelo. A broadly thus educated left base would diminish some of the pernicious rhetorical efficacy of players large and small, like this caller, on the right

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tony's avatar

Since trump won I am adopting puppy on the bottom with his nose out

This is my 3rd lab Michael

Get him Sunday

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tony's avatar

Indy is his name

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