Let’s look at this free religion case another way. Every year during Passover, Coca Cola makes kosher for Passover Coke that is the original Coke formula and tastier than the usual. As a result Christians buy it and the stores run out of the soft drink. As a result, Jews who actually can’t drink other soft drinks because they keep kosher for Passover, aren’t able to buy it. So, let’s see what the Supreme Court would do with a law that forbid Christians from buying kosher Coke. Can you hear the Christians who believe they have a right not to serve gays screaming? But what’s the difference between this ruling and the one I projected??
I'm so thrilled a restaurant in VA refused to serve a Christian group. If a company can refuse to do business with LGBT, the same applies to any other type of discrimination. I, personally, would refuse to do business with any Republican.
What an interesting story, Joyce! There are so few Jews in Washington State that I wouldn't have known about Coke taking advantage of Passover rules with a better Coke product! Kind of hilarious....
It’s the original Coke using sugar as opposed to corn syrup. It’s become hard to find with a lot of stores not carrying it at all; however, this is a religious resource but one wouldn’t dare discriminate against the majority of the population, even if it was for a religious reason, so why should people be allowed to discriminate against the LGBTQ community? Everyone should have the right to purchase what they want ... with the exception of high powered rifles!
Hard to believe that the soft apartheid enjoyed by wytpipo before the landmark Civil Rights legislation of the 60's never went away. The discrimination only expanded beyond the blacks it was designed for. This country seems to think that targets intended remain cowed past the stripping away portion. Women voting this year sent a message of warning to the powers that be that they will not sit idly by and return to second class status. We gay people got complacent post AIDS medical breakthroughs but by 2015 we got marriage. Undoing Oberfell may happen (the breadcrumbs have indeed become bricks) so now we return to the grassroots and start the fight that eventually will go national by 2024...The Web Designer in her haste to prediscriminate neglected to consider the zealots advising her just hamstrung her future earnings because she'll be disregarded as an option going forward from those who can actually rub 2 nickels together intellectually. Any more moves by this court to ignore the people will only increase the demand to even things out there. Yes, packing the court is the only option left..
Since the GOP has aligned itself with white supremacist hate groups, the Democrats should hammer away on this issue....Do the morons know they are voting for racists, anti-semites and hate groups?
100 years sounds harsh, but extending the court and LIMITING the years of service would have to be considered in light of the hardcore Conservatives on this court thanks to the Orange Monster. Correct me if I'm wrong Michelangelo, but doesn't also tie in with interracial marriage? Would that not affect the marriage of Clarence Thomas and his white wife Ginny?!? If so, then wouldn't he be negating his own marriage? This is a pathetic excuse for a top judicial system and at 22% approval in the general populace, there could be serious trouble, if Mr Roberts doesn't rein in their zealousness. These so-called Conservatives live in another world and we can only hope that young voters are more aware of the consequences of this court (if they aren't already from the overturning of Roe).
You're right on the money, Lorie! We live in the United Corporations of America. Everything is profit-based, including our care. I'm in a Medicare Advantage Plan. The doctor needs approval for a CT, MRI, surgery, etc. She even had to get approval to give me Prolia shots. Oh, I guess the insurance company thought the Prolia shots were just for fun. My last 'wellness' visit was by phone!! The doc asked if I knew what my blood pressure was. I said, "no." She said O.K. That's my physical for this year. Thanks to the GQP, unions are weak (the few that exist), corporations control everything, medical care is garbage, our environment is in serious danger and the politicians are laughing all the way to the bank. What a farce!
I look forward to President Biden signing RFMA into law! It may not stop this court from overturning Obergefell, however. All civil rights are on the chopping block now. I hate the arrogance and the smug looks on the conservative justices faces, from Roberts to Coney Barrett. I'd have to say that Thomas and Alito piss me off the most. Now we know for sure that the conservatives are on the take, just like many members of Congress. Thomas continues not to recuse himself from cases where his wife is implicated. I'm hoping that the lame duck Democratic Congress can get some ethics legislation passed for SCOTUS, plus the court needs to be expanded. It's going to be interesting to see the tables turned on the evangelical so-called Christians, who have whined for years about things like the "war on Christmas" just because people said "Happy Holidays" instead. Christmas was and still is just as popular as ever, and people are still spending money despite their concerns about the economy every election cycle.
I hear you, Sakina! Today I'm still steaming (also) about the smug, arrogant, POS Kyrsten Sinema and her announcement. Seriously, I don't think we HAVE a party for people like her yet. It's not the Independents, it's the Totally-Self-Involved. Her with her pre-teen clothing styles - she's still trying so desperately to find a way to embody the McCain 'maverick'. Grrrrr.
Don't get me started on Sinema, Lorie! Her self-involved attention-seeking has been all over the map for years. My husband initially thought that she was planning to caucus with the Republicans. Pundits have already surmised that she knows she'll get primaried, so now she plans to split Democratic votes when she comes up for re-election. The result could have Kari Lake becoming the next Senator (good God)! How goes your knee recovery?
I have arrived at the conclusion that if women & the LGBT community are to have any hope of escaping cultural oppression, they have to directly challenge the 1st A protections of religious expression as the dominant civil right. Ancient hetero creation myths like Genesis scripted by scientifically ignorant male priests under the pen names of God/Allah/Yahweh are the underpinnings of patriarchy, & this SCt is weaponizing freedom of religion to re-assert male control over females & to push queers back into the closet, if not coffins.
How so many people continue to remain complicit in their own oppression is beyond me. Early indoctrination is key for the religious right and, unfortunately, many can never shake off that indoctrination. And for the rest of us who disagree with them, they will change the laws to force compliance (or the closet).
This SCOTUS Court is extremely frightening to me as a Gay man. What makes it worse is that the most immoral man placed these three Evangelical, far right wing, Sharia Law espousing Justices on the Court. The fact that there was no there there with the word hypotheticals being thrown around is even more infuriating. Looks like these guilty of perjury Justices will take cases from anywhere and just strip the citizens of this country of all their rights. It's like they are at a shooting gallery and just shouting down the rights many of us have fought so hard to secure. Where is the humanity?
I do not want to be bludgeoned into living under their religious beliefs. I feel like I am returning to the 8th grade in a Catholic School being forced to live under a theocratic yet secular government. We must continue the fight for justice, again. What happened to the separation of church from state?
I would love to open a business here in NC and say heterosexual people not welcome. I would be hauled into court and run up the rails so fast it would make your head spin. This court is disgusting. Clarence Thomas is attacking the LGBTQ community yet the Respect for Marriage act protects his interracial marriage. Again, disgusting.
This makes me so sick & furious. Not 🏳️🌈 myself but grew up in & around the community & consider myself a fierce ally.
I just wonder, do younger 🏳️🌈 people get the peril the community is in? Didn’t get that vibe based on several Millennials & some Gen Z folks I’ve spoken to. Feel like we need to give them that old Act Up energy back.
You have warned this for years. Each Justice trump appointed left me feeling totally devastated with worry for my son and all LGBTQ people in the country. And I agree that civil rights for all people are in jeopardy. It’s all so horrific and cruel. We are living in the dark ages.
I'm glad my gay son and his husband moved out of the country, but my lesbian daughter and her wife are still here in bible land. I wish they'd leave the country, too. I fear for their safety. The perpetrators of the daily shootings are not liberals. They are right-wing lunatics with weapons.
Donnab, I have close (African American) friends in Gulfport, MS, and three of their grandchildren are/were there. The oldest girl came out her senior year in high school; then she went to work and saved all her money....and left the country for Australia! She definitely had an escape plan! You go, girl.
Donnab, believe me I feel REAL old today! I had a left knee replacement on Wed., and was out the same day, and woozy half the time because of Oxycodone. I'm dragging around the house on a walker and just wondering if I can live thru this for the next 2 weeks! I'm telling you, if Big Pharma could have a Covid vaccine out in 10 months, why couldn't they invent pain drugs without all the side effects!
I had a back surgery in Germany in 2006, and all us Americans remember how super it was not to leave the hospital until YOU felt you could! Amazing...they were patient centered!
Lorie, I wish you speedy recovery. European medicine is more patient-centered. Here it is profit-based. I'm lucky if I can see my doctor...4 months to get an appointment and I usually wind up seeing a nurse or PA. It gets worse all the time. I don't know if it's like this everywhere or only here in the corrupt state of Florida. Soon they'll do surgery on your kitchen table so the insurance company doesn't have to pay the hospital anything. Best wishes.
Oh, Donnab, that comment about surgery on my kitchen table was just delicious! LOL. And YES, they'd probably bloody-up all of MY towels and floors, hand me a bill for $60k, and say their goodbyes, with me left to clean up after them THIS time! My primary doc is the same as yours - at least 2-3 months to get in; then cursorily listening to my heart and lungs, talking about what brought me in, prescribe drugs and slam-bam, all done in 9 minutes!
I think I also hate that the doctors don't organize, so they're complicit with the medical corporations. You'd think that when surgeons make $1mill a year or more they could put their feet down and stand up for patients' rights, but I don't see that happening. They're just schills for the System, too.
He and Ginny deserve each other! It's very transactional between the two of them. You can certainly tell that they don't look happy, yet they are getting what they want from this marriage of convenience.
Let’s look at this free religion case another way. Every year during Passover, Coca Cola makes kosher for Passover Coke that is the original Coke formula and tastier than the usual. As a result Christians buy it and the stores run out of the soft drink. As a result, Jews who actually can’t drink other soft drinks because they keep kosher for Passover, aren’t able to buy it. So, let’s see what the Supreme Court would do with a law that forbid Christians from buying kosher Coke. Can you hear the Christians who believe they have a right not to serve gays screaming? But what’s the difference between this ruling and the one I projected??
Very interesting Joyce! Yes, they would go nuts.
I'm so thrilled a restaurant in VA refused to serve a Christian group. If a company can refuse to do business with LGBT, the same applies to any other type of discrimination. I, personally, would refuse to do business with any Republican.
That’s what is so scary about the precedent this would set. They are making discrimination legal!
What an interesting story, Joyce! There are so few Jews in Washington State that I wouldn't have known about Coke taking advantage of Passover rules with a better Coke product! Kind of hilarious....
It’s the original Coke using sugar as opposed to corn syrup. It’s become hard to find with a lot of stores not carrying it at all; however, this is a religious resource but one wouldn’t dare discriminate against the majority of the population, even if it was for a religious reason, so why should people be allowed to discriminate against the LGBTQ community? Everyone should have the right to purchase what they want ... with the exception of high powered rifles!
Well put, Joyce.
Hard to believe that the soft apartheid enjoyed by wytpipo before the landmark Civil Rights legislation of the 60's never went away. The discrimination only expanded beyond the blacks it was designed for. This country seems to think that targets intended remain cowed past the stripping away portion. Women voting this year sent a message of warning to the powers that be that they will not sit idly by and return to second class status. We gay people got complacent post AIDS medical breakthroughs but by 2015 we got marriage. Undoing Oberfell may happen (the breadcrumbs have indeed become bricks) so now we return to the grassroots and start the fight that eventually will go national by 2024...The Web Designer in her haste to prediscriminate neglected to consider the zealots advising her just hamstrung her future earnings because she'll be disregarded as an option going forward from those who can actually rub 2 nickels together intellectually. Any more moves by this court to ignore the people will only increase the demand to even things out there. Yes, packing the court is the only option left..
Since the GOP has aligned itself with white supremacist hate groups, the Democrats should hammer away on this issue....Do the morons know they are voting for racists, anti-semites and hate groups?
They know and they do not care, Donnab! They will only get upset once Rick Scott and the others take away their Medicare and Social Security!
She really did do herself in, I agree.
100 years sounds harsh, but extending the court and LIMITING the years of service would have to be considered in light of the hardcore Conservatives on this court thanks to the Orange Monster. Correct me if I'm wrong Michelangelo, but doesn't also tie in with interracial marriage? Would that not affect the marriage of Clarence Thomas and his white wife Ginny?!? If so, then wouldn't he be negating his own marriage? This is a pathetic excuse for a top judicial system and at 22% approval in the general populace, there could be serious trouble, if Mr Roberts doesn't rein in their zealousness. These so-called Conservatives live in another world and we can only hope that young voters are more aware of the consequences of this court (if they aren't already from the overturning of Roe).
you're right -- maybe decades (changed it) but we don't have that long! and your points all well taken.
The hate is a feature, not a bug...
You're right on the money, Lorie! We live in the United Corporations of America. Everything is profit-based, including our care. I'm in a Medicare Advantage Plan. The doctor needs approval for a CT, MRI, surgery, etc. She even had to get approval to give me Prolia shots. Oh, I guess the insurance company thought the Prolia shots were just for fun. My last 'wellness' visit was by phone!! The doc asked if I knew what my blood pressure was. I said, "no." She said O.K. That's my physical for this year. Thanks to the GQP, unions are weak (the few that exist), corporations control everything, medical care is garbage, our environment is in serious danger and the politicians are laughing all the way to the bank. What a farce!
I look forward to President Biden signing RFMA into law! It may not stop this court from overturning Obergefell, however. All civil rights are on the chopping block now. I hate the arrogance and the smug looks on the conservative justices faces, from Roberts to Coney Barrett. I'd have to say that Thomas and Alito piss me off the most. Now we know for sure that the conservatives are on the take, just like many members of Congress. Thomas continues not to recuse himself from cases where his wife is implicated. I'm hoping that the lame duck Democratic Congress can get some ethics legislation passed for SCOTUS, plus the court needs to be expanded. It's going to be interesting to see the tables turned on the evangelical so-called Christians, who have whined for years about things like the "war on Christmas" just because people said "Happy Holidays" instead. Christmas was and still is just as popular as ever, and people are still spending money despite their concerns about the economy every election cycle.
I hear you, Sakina! Today I'm still steaming (also) about the smug, arrogant, POS Kyrsten Sinema and her announcement. Seriously, I don't think we HAVE a party for people like her yet. It's not the Independents, it's the Totally-Self-Involved. Her with her pre-teen clothing styles - she's still trying so desperately to find a way to embody the McCain 'maverick'. Grrrrr.
Don't get me started on Sinema, Lorie! Her self-involved attention-seeking has been all over the map for years. My husband initially thought that she was planning to caucus with the Republicans. Pundits have already surmised that she knows she'll get primaried, so now she plans to split Democratic votes when she comes up for re-election. The result could have Kari Lake becoming the next Senator (good God)! How goes your knee recovery?
I have arrived at the conclusion that if women & the LGBT community are to have any hope of escaping cultural oppression, they have to directly challenge the 1st A protections of religious expression as the dominant civil right. Ancient hetero creation myths like Genesis scripted by scientifically ignorant male priests under the pen names of God/Allah/Yahweh are the underpinnings of patriarchy, & this SCt is weaponizing freedom of religion to re-assert male control over females & to push queers back into the closet, if not coffins.
How so many people continue to remain complicit in their own oppression is beyond me. Early indoctrination is key for the religious right and, unfortunately, many can never shake off that indoctrination. And for the rest of us who disagree with them, they will change the laws to force compliance (or the closet).
This SCOTUS Court is extremely frightening to me as a Gay man. What makes it worse is that the most immoral man placed these three Evangelical, far right wing, Sharia Law espousing Justices on the Court. The fact that there was no there there with the word hypotheticals being thrown around is even more infuriating. Looks like these guilty of perjury Justices will take cases from anywhere and just strip the citizens of this country of all their rights. It's like they are at a shooting gallery and just shouting down the rights many of us have fought so hard to secure. Where is the humanity?
I do not want to be bludgeoned into living under their religious beliefs. I feel like I am returning to the 8th grade in a Catholic School being forced to live under a theocratic yet secular government. We must continue the fight for justice, again. What happened to the separation of church from state?
I would love to open a business here in NC and say heterosexual people not welcome. I would be hauled into court and run up the rails so fast it would make your head spin. This court is disgusting. Clarence Thomas is attacking the LGBTQ community yet the Respect for Marriage act protects his interracial marriage. Again, disgusting.
This makes me so sick & furious. Not 🏳️🌈 myself but grew up in & around the community & consider myself a fierce ally.
I just wonder, do younger 🏳️🌈 people get the peril the community is in? Didn’t get that vibe based on several Millennials & some Gen Z folks I’ve spoken to. Feel like we need to give them that old Act Up energy back.
They sure are. Are we going to have signs in windows now so we know what businesses we can support?
You have warned this for years. Each Justice trump appointed left me feeling totally devastated with worry for my son and all LGBTQ people in the country. And I agree that civil rights for all people are in jeopardy. It’s all so horrific and cruel. We are living in the dark ages.
I'm glad my gay son and his husband moved out of the country, but my lesbian daughter and her wife are still here in bible land. I wish they'd leave the country, too. I fear for their safety. The perpetrators of the daily shootings are not liberals. They are right-wing lunatics with weapons.
Donnab, I have close (African American) friends in Gulfport, MS, and three of their grandchildren are/were there. The oldest girl came out her senior year in high school; then she went to work and saved all her money....and left the country for Australia! She definitely had an escape plan! You go, girl.
Lorie, if I were young, I'd do the same thing! Too old now to go anywhere. Best wishes to the young lady.
Donnab, believe me I feel REAL old today! I had a left knee replacement on Wed., and was out the same day, and woozy half the time because of Oxycodone. I'm dragging around the house on a walker and just wondering if I can live thru this for the next 2 weeks! I'm telling you, if Big Pharma could have a Covid vaccine out in 10 months, why couldn't they invent pain drugs without all the side effects!
I had a back surgery in Germany in 2006, and all us Americans remember how super it was not to leave the hospital until YOU felt you could! Amazing...they were patient centered!
Lorie, I wish you speedy recovery. European medicine is more patient-centered. Here it is profit-based. I'm lucky if I can see my doctor...4 months to get an appointment and I usually wind up seeing a nurse or PA. It gets worse all the time. I don't know if it's like this everywhere or only here in the corrupt state of Florida. Soon they'll do surgery on your kitchen table so the insurance company doesn't have to pay the hospital anything. Best wishes.
Oh, Donnab, that comment about surgery on my kitchen table was just delicious! LOL. And YES, they'd probably bloody-up all of MY towels and floors, hand me a bill for $60k, and say their goodbyes, with me left to clean up after them THIS time! My primary doc is the same as yours - at least 2-3 months to get in; then cursorily listening to my heart and lungs, talking about what brought me in, prescribe drugs and slam-bam, all done in 9 minutes!
I think I also hate that the doctors don't organize, so they're complicit with the medical corporations. You'd think that when surgeons make $1mill a year or more they could put their feet down and stand up for patients' rights, but I don't see that happening. They're just schills for the System, too.
He and Ginny deserve each other! It's very transactional between the two of them. You can certainly tell that they don't look happy, yet they are getting what they want from this marriage of convenience.