These people come up with all kinds of excuses for not getting the vaccine. They all have a common thread of one thing. That's selfishness. Not caring for the health of others, much less themselves.
Thank you for making it crystal clear to your listeners, Michaelangelo, but I fear that very few anti-vaxxers are swayed by any arguments no matter how rational or logical. But thank you for trying!
Trying to reason with unreasonable people is futile. I've given up and have lost former, long term friends over their insanity and their dedication to and belief in Faux News. People have gotten really stupid. Back in the 50's, I don't recall ANYONE who didn't want their Polio shot. Those who equate vaccines and masks as a violation of their freedom really don't know what the word means. A friend of ours died from COVID, and he was one of hundreds of thousands. If the number of casualties alone doesn't convince them, nothing will.
Rick, the New Dark Age" is a very good description of our country today. The rise in nationalism, God and guns and the flag hugging scare me. Right wing media convinced fools that lies were fact. How on earth can we combat the vicious and dangerous media?
I'm just breathing a sigh of relief that 70% of New Mexicans are now vaccinated. Even though our mask mandate was lifted two weeks ago, everyone here is still wearing masks. I don't think there is changing anyone's mind at this point except maybe the offer of money.
This is so disappointing. Too many people without a clue in this country. I blame Reagan and his political descendants.
I contacted a massage practitioner just yesterday about making an appointment and when I asked if he was vaccinated, he just said he wasn’t and never would. I thanked him for the chat, told him to have a nice weekend and blocked his number.
i've heard from so many people whose who chiropractors or dentists weren't vaccinated and weren't planning on it. Not sure how this doesn't hurt business.
She is part of the problem and in denial that she is. I thought you were very reasonable with her. As an RN it is disheartening to hear people like her. Fellow nurses tell stories of helping intubate patients who are still saying they don’t have COVID before the tube is put in. I’m at a dog competition today where the rules are that you show your vaccine card then get a wristband which indicates you do not need to wear a mask at the event. There are 5 or 6 people here wearing masks with no wristband on including one that I know is a strong conservative as they unfriended me last year prior to the election. So pretty obvious who isn’t vaccinated. Each time I walk in the building I reflexively reach in my pocket for a mask and then realize I don’t have to wear one. So freeing. Hard to understand why you wouldn’t want to be able to ditch the mask.
The stupidity of this woman was unbearable. A very recognizable gobbledygook discourse that ignorantly lumps together herbal remedies, homeopathy (which, as a follow up caller fairly pointed out, is total bullshit), acupuncture, and pretty much any alternative “treatment”
I’m not saying we should blindly trust pharmaceutical labs, after all we owe them the opioid epidemic, but this idiotic opposition to vaccines has got to stop. And just like we should not tolerate bothsidism in politics to excuse giving a voice to neo nazis, we should not tolerate the bullshit coming from antivaxers. They are so fucking clueless it’s unbearable.
I totally believe Tracy when she says she's not a Trumper, but she sounded like a Black woman to me and as a Black woman myself it was both heartbreaking and infuriating listening to an otherwise thoughtful (sounding), intelligent (sounding) person fall for the anti-vax badoinky doink.
Yes black and brown communities have legitimate reasons to be skeptical, but once you do the research, get educated, and talk to doctors and medical professionals, you realize that there really is NO excuse for not getting vaccinated. ZERO. Because the alternative is death as far as I'm concerned. And unlike the Tracys of the world, I do NOT want to be walking around in a mask for the rest of my life.
I used to be someone who never got the flu shot, not because of any beliefs in conspiracy theories about the government, but because somehow I rarely ever got the flu (which was probably just pure dumb luck) and I took a perverse pride in that. When covid hit, that all changed for me. My ass got the flu shot and any other vaccinations my doctor recommended. When the covid vax came along, I overcame my distrust of the Trump administration and my hesitation regarding how quickly the vaccine had been produced and got that too. Why? Because we're in a freaking public health crisis!
So with all the folks who have been vaccinated at this point and are doing just fine, I have very little patience for people like Tracy who are still out here holding on to unscientific beliefs and magical thinking about why they're not getting vaccinated. It's just so stupid.
Yes you can tell from her voice she is a black women. I believe many black people are concerned about the vaccine because of so much talk about the Tuskegee experiment of black men. The Tuskegee experiment is a horrible truth, and stain on medical science. But many people think the men were giving syphilis or were giving experimental drugs, when the fact is they just watched them to see how the disease progressed. So it wasn't what they were giving, but that they were not treated. Covid vaccine is a treatment, not the lack of.
Eddie, exactly. I literally had to explain this fact to a young brother recently. And the distrust goes beyond the Tuskegee experiment, it's what happened to Henrietta Lacks and so many other atrocities that have happened to Black and Brown people in the name of medical science or scientific advancement. So again, I get the fear, the distrust, and the hesitation, but that's not what's happening with the covid vax, and we have GOT to understand that.
You were very patient and polite with her. I am very intolerant of her point of view. I have an auto immune disorder since the age of 7 and taking vaccines is a risk for me that could cause a flare up and cause further damage to my body. I took a gamble on the mRNA vaccine because after spending a year alone in my apartment I decided that living that way was not sustainable and that the risk of the virus was the bigger risk. I got lucky that neither shot caused a flare up but I had to chance it. These so called healthy people are just selfish or at least there needs to be better messaging about variants and mutations. I don't believe in forcing people but some method of verification for certain activities is obviously needed. If these selfish people keep spreading the virus and it's able to overcome the vaccines they are forcing people like me out of participating in public life.
Today one of the people at the event I am at who has to wear a mask due to no vaccine card said she thinks she will get the vaccine so she can go maskless like the rest of us. So maybe that kind of pressure will work. Several of us encouraged her to get it and told her we had no bad side effects.
Kio, I hear you. Tracy was a prime example of that person who is waiting for everybody else to get vaccinated so that they don't have to. They're selfish cowards who are benefiting from the rest of us being brave and taking a chance, even those of us who may have health issues of our own. Our courage allows them to sit back in their selfishness and their stupidity and continue to put other people at risk.
Years ago I had a friend who wore magnets on different parts of his body he claimed that’s why he was still alive from HIV. Wonderful guy not ignorant, but the side of his brain that could hear and the side of his brain that had logic, we’re not communicating. Pointing out that the thousands of people that wore magnets that died, aren’t around to contradict him, he could hear but it couldn’t get to his reasoned center of his mind.
One day maybe we can check the genome of a disease we acquired and identify who gave it to us and then be able to sue them. That might be the only way we’re going to get past these people. Obviously the reason the center their brain is also not connected to their ears.
Very sad, misinformed woman like many in this country. I would say that she has been listening to Faux News. Loved the line "Then you are planning to wear a mask for the rest of your life" Michelangelo! Happy Memorial Day to you and the family.
The biggest thing I see missing from the population subsets is "the science trust-but-verify-ers". Meaning the people that understand that scientific data for possible long-term effects/side-effects of these emergency-authorized, but not FDA-approved, vaccines won't even begin to be collected for study until 2 years after first-clinical-trial-doses. These people do not deny the science - they implicitly trust the science, and therefore will defer their decision on the safety receiving the vaccine until the science actually occurs. Unfortunately, in the current politicized environment and media narrative, these thoughtful people are lumped in with "deniers", and publicly "shamed", as you mentioned you yourself did in the article... [disclosure - I have gotten the vaccine, believe it is likely very safe, and have recommended that others do so. But I can also understand, without being dismissive, why some people might not be ready to do the same.]
Those would be in The Watchful category. Some will get it well before the 2 years, others perhaps won't. I'm not sure I would call them "thoughtful" if they are waiting the 2 years. They're being more irrational because, yes, the study takes 2 years but scientists around the world agree it's safe and we're in an emergency. They're being overly-cautious about risk to the point that they are taking more risks. That's more irrational and not thoughtful. Glad you're thoughtful however.
These people come up with all kinds of excuses for not getting the vaccine. They all have a common thread of one thing. That's selfishness. Not caring for the health of others, much less themselves.
Thank you for making it crystal clear to your listeners, Michaelangelo, but I fear that very few anti-vaxxers are swayed by any arguments no matter how rational or logical. But thank you for trying!
Back in late 80s I was Mike in Lakewood, Co now I am Mike and Sonoma.
Trying to reason with unreasonable people is futile. I've given up and have lost former, long term friends over their insanity and their dedication to and belief in Faux News. People have gotten really stupid. Back in the 50's, I don't recall ANYONE who didn't want their Polio shot. Those who equate vaccines and masks as a violation of their freedom really don't know what the word means. A friend of ours died from COVID, and he was one of hundreds of thousands. If the number of casualties alone doesn't convince them, nothing will.
I saw a quote that pertains to this. “It is important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong”.
Ha, good one.
Yes, it's frustrating. And they wind up lying to themselves.
Rick, the New Dark Age" is a very good description of our country today. The rise in nationalism, God and guns and the flag hugging scare me. Right wing media convinced fools that lies were fact. How on earth can we combat the vicious and dangerous media?
I'm just breathing a sigh of relief that 70% of New Mexicans are now vaccinated. Even though our mask mandate was lifted two weeks ago, everyone here is still wearing masks. I don't think there is changing anyone's mind at this point except maybe the offer of money.
This is so disappointing. Too many people without a clue in this country. I blame Reagan and his political descendants.
I contacted a massage practitioner just yesterday about making an appointment and when I asked if he was vaccinated, he just said he wasn’t and never would. I thanked him for the chat, told him to have a nice weekend and blocked his number.
i've heard from so many people whose who chiropractors or dentists weren't vaccinated and weren't planning on it. Not sure how this doesn't hurt business.
She is part of the problem and in denial that she is. I thought you were very reasonable with her. As an RN it is disheartening to hear people like her. Fellow nurses tell stories of helping intubate patients who are still saying they don’t have COVID before the tube is put in. I’m at a dog competition today where the rules are that you show your vaccine card then get a wristband which indicates you do not need to wear a mask at the event. There are 5 or 6 people here wearing masks with no wristband on including one that I know is a strong conservative as they unfriended me last year prior to the election. So pretty obvious who isn’t vaccinated. Each time I walk in the building I reflexively reach in my pocket for a mask and then realize I don’t have to wear one. So freeing. Hard to understand why you wouldn’t want to be able to ditch the mask.
The stupidity of this woman was unbearable. A very recognizable gobbledygook discourse that ignorantly lumps together herbal remedies, homeopathy (which, as a follow up caller fairly pointed out, is total bullshit), acupuncture, and pretty much any alternative “treatment”
I’m not saying we should blindly trust pharmaceutical labs, after all we owe them the opioid epidemic, but this idiotic opposition to vaccines has got to stop. And just like we should not tolerate bothsidism in politics to excuse giving a voice to neo nazis, we should not tolerate the bullshit coming from antivaxers. They are so fucking clueless it’s unbearable.
She just went from one misinformed thing to another.
I totally believe Tracy when she says she's not a Trumper, but she sounded like a Black woman to me and as a Black woman myself it was both heartbreaking and infuriating listening to an otherwise thoughtful (sounding), intelligent (sounding) person fall for the anti-vax badoinky doink.
Yes black and brown communities have legitimate reasons to be skeptical, but once you do the research, get educated, and talk to doctors and medical professionals, you realize that there really is NO excuse for not getting vaccinated. ZERO. Because the alternative is death as far as I'm concerned. And unlike the Tracys of the world, I do NOT want to be walking around in a mask for the rest of my life.
I used to be someone who never got the flu shot, not because of any beliefs in conspiracy theories about the government, but because somehow I rarely ever got the flu (which was probably just pure dumb luck) and I took a perverse pride in that. When covid hit, that all changed for me. My ass got the flu shot and any other vaccinations my doctor recommended. When the covid vax came along, I overcame my distrust of the Trump administration and my hesitation regarding how quickly the vaccine had been produced and got that too. Why? Because we're in a freaking public health crisis!
So with all the folks who have been vaccinated at this point and are doing just fine, I have very little patience for people like Tracy who are still out here holding on to unscientific beliefs and magical thinking about why they're not getting vaccinated. It's just so stupid.
Yes you can tell from her voice she is a black women. I believe many black people are concerned about the vaccine because of so much talk about the Tuskegee experiment of black men. The Tuskegee experiment is a horrible truth, and stain on medical science. But many people think the men were giving syphilis or were giving experimental drugs, when the fact is they just watched them to see how the disease progressed. So it wasn't what they were giving, but that they were not treated. Covid vaccine is a treatment, not the lack of.
Eddie, exactly. I literally had to explain this fact to a young brother recently. And the distrust goes beyond the Tuskegee experiment, it's what happened to Henrietta Lacks and so many other atrocities that have happened to Black and Brown people in the name of medical science or scientific advancement. So again, I get the fear, the distrust, and the hesitation, but that's not what's happening with the covid vax, and we have GOT to understand that.
I read the Henrietta Lacks story when the book first came out. A great, but sad story.
You were very patient and polite with her. I am very intolerant of her point of view. I have an auto immune disorder since the age of 7 and taking vaccines is a risk for me that could cause a flare up and cause further damage to my body. I took a gamble on the mRNA vaccine because after spending a year alone in my apartment I decided that living that way was not sustainable and that the risk of the virus was the bigger risk. I got lucky that neither shot caused a flare up but I had to chance it. These so called healthy people are just selfish or at least there needs to be better messaging about variants and mutations. I don't believe in forcing people but some method of verification for certain activities is obviously needed. If these selfish people keep spreading the virus and it's able to overcome the vaccines they are forcing people like me out of participating in public life.
I think that will ultimately push some of them. If they can't get into a stadium or some other place they want to be with others.
Today one of the people at the event I am at who has to wear a mask due to no vaccine card said she thinks she will get the vaccine so she can go maskless like the rest of us. So maybe that kind of pressure will work. Several of us encouraged her to get it and told her we had no bad side effects.
Kio, I hear you. Tracy was a prime example of that person who is waiting for everybody else to get vaccinated so that they don't have to. They're selfish cowards who are benefiting from the rest of us being brave and taking a chance, even those of us who may have health issues of our own. Our courage allows them to sit back in their selfishness and their stupidity and continue to put other people at risk.
Years ago I had a friend who wore magnets on different parts of his body he claimed that’s why he was still alive from HIV. Wonderful guy not ignorant, but the side of his brain that could hear and the side of his brain that had logic, we’re not communicating. Pointing out that the thousands of people that wore magnets that died, aren’t around to contradict him, he could hear but it couldn’t get to his reasoned center of his mind.
One day maybe we can check the genome of a disease we acquired and identify who gave it to us and then be able to sue them. That might be the only way we’re going to get past these people. Obviously the reason the center their brain is also not connected to their ears.
There were and still are you so many HIV conspiracists as well, you're right.
Very sad, misinformed woman like many in this country. I would say that she has been listening to Faux News. Loved the line "Then you are planning to wear a mask for the rest of your life" Michelangelo! Happy Memorial Day to you and the family.
The biggest thing I see missing from the population subsets is "the science trust-but-verify-ers". Meaning the people that understand that scientific data for possible long-term effects/side-effects of these emergency-authorized, but not FDA-approved, vaccines won't even begin to be collected for study until 2 years after first-clinical-trial-doses. These people do not deny the science - they implicitly trust the science, and therefore will defer their decision on the safety receiving the vaccine until the science actually occurs. Unfortunately, in the current politicized environment and media narrative, these thoughtful people are lumped in with "deniers", and publicly "shamed", as you mentioned you yourself did in the article... [disclosure - I have gotten the vaccine, believe it is likely very safe, and have recommended that others do so. But I can also understand, without being dismissive, why some people might not be ready to do the same.]
Those would be in The Watchful category. Some will get it well before the 2 years, others perhaps won't. I'm not sure I would call them "thoughtful" if they are waiting the 2 years. They're being more irrational because, yes, the study takes 2 years but scientists around the world agree it's safe and we're in an emergency. They're being overly-cautious about risk to the point that they are taking more risks. That's more irrational and not thoughtful. Glad you're thoughtful however.